katana wrote:
Noswizard wrote:
it's IMPOSSIBLE for ANY NA Busa to run as quick with under 300 HP, never mind 7 mph faster.
http://www.200mph.net/smf/index.php?topic=69984.0And before you flame me - read what you said / wrote and read the piece. It's done at altitude and on salt, not a standing mile or stock body but answers your statement fair and square! Ok?
It doesn't answer my question "FAIR & SQUARE" at all!!!!
You guys on 200 mph will TWIST or TAKE OUT OF CONTEXT, even the most obvious statement, to suit yourselves.
It's OBVIOUS that the ONLY figures that are RELEVANT when doing a FAIR comparison, are those that are LIKE FOR LIKE.
My original post on 200 mph CLEARLY STATED, that the performance figures fore my Finnish customer, were achieved over a STANDING MILE and I posted a picture of the bike, showing it was STOCK body.
However, rather than getting intelligent responses (in the main), I get some IDIOT suggesting that a NA Busa had run faster, then that was followed by posts from a bunch of sheep supporting his RIDICULOUS statement and claiming that it wasn't any kind of achievement for my customers bike.
ONLY AN IDIOT would think a NA STOCK body Busa could make enough power to run almost 240 MPH in a FLYING MILE NEVER MIND A STANDING MILE.
Sure the Guppy has achieved that and better but even a FOOL can see the difference in body styling and ONLY A FOOL would suggest, that its a FAIR comparison to my Finnish customers STOCK trim bikes performance. Surely even a FOOL knows that bikes run in different classes to establish various world records and that there isn't just ONE class for all??
FYI the Guppy tail piece ALONE is worth approx. 25 MPH to the top speed and as Brett pointed out, this bikes results have been achieved over the FLYING MILE, which requires LESS power to reach a given speed.
I spoke in person to the guy responsible for building ALL the fastest Busa engine's in the USA (including the Guppy) and he claims, that 270 HP was the most he'd been able to squeeze out of the biggest cc Busa he'd ever built, until now and he's now claiming an increase to 290 HP and this is CRANKSHAFT NOT RWHP!!!!
That means that when Dave Owen ran the 'claimed' 239 MPH, it's EXTREMELY unlikely that NA Busa engines were even making the 270 HP this guy is claiming, as it was run a few years ago.
Thankfully, I've just had a response from the guy who calculates the power required, for my Finnish customers bike and he reports, that they need approx. 350 REAR WHEEL HP to achieve 239 MPH in a FLYING MILE & 370 RWHP to achieve 239 MPH in the STANDING MILE.
Since they MEASURED 350 RWHP (with WON REVO nitrous) on their dyno, just before they ran 232 MPH on the track, I'm confident that his calculations are correct.
So the evidence is this and I hope it's CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU NOW;Dave Owen's SON confirmed the bike his Dad rode to 239 MPH was some other guys TURBO bike
The current TOP Busa tuner states he can't make more than 290 ENGINE HP NOW and until recently could only make 270, so Dave Owen would have had LESS than that when he made the 239 MPH run, had it been on his own NA Busa.
NOWHERE on the Internet is it OFFICIALLY claimed, that Dave Owen ran quicker than approx. 220 MPH on HIS NA Busa
HIS OWN SON stated that Dave had only managed approx. 221 MPH on his own NA bike
Dave Owen is accredited to holding the fastest STOCK bodied NA Busa and even that had been modified to some degree at approx. 220 MPH
Tiger Racing are accredited with the fastest nitrous assisted Busa run at approx. 226 MPH
The FACTS are as follows;
Dave Owen did NOT run 239 MPH on his NA STOCK body Busa - THAT WAS & STILL IS IMPOSSIBLE
My Finnish customer has run the worlds fastest speed for a nitrous assisted STOCK body Busa
Anyone who has previously put forward suggestions to the contrary or who has supported such a suggestion or failed to dispute it (which accounts for the vast majority of those who posted on the thread on 200 MPH forum) or who still refuses to accept THOSE ARE THE FACTS are UNMITIGATED IDIOTS!!!