NITROUS OXIDE ( nos / n2o ) advice forum

Hello am new to the site, so thought would say hello get some advice and ask few questions, sorry in advance if posted this in wrong section.

Name is Keith from Peterborough and drive Supra SZ manual N/A.
Mods so far on car are:
Bomex front Bumper
BC Racing coilovers
TT Front brakes with with grooved and Drilled discs
Grooved rear discs
HKS induction
Fully decated with Veilside exhaust
Bee R Rev limiter
18 TE Wheels with 25mm spacers rear & 20mm spacers Front
NX nos kit 15lb bottle,50 shot and purge kit.
Recently had MGT fit my NX NOS system to supra and the service and workmanship was fantastic would highly recommend them for any work.

Am after advice about insurance companies that will insure cars fitted with Nos please? as am currently with Sky insurance and now have nos they wont insure me and policy is up end of this month

Will upload pictures of my Nos install once have uploaded them to laptop plus few more pictures of supra

Thanks in advance for advice on insurance issue

I'm sorry to be the bearer of so much bad news but;

No insurance company I know of will insure a car with ANY US brand kit fitted, as they know what JUNK they are and how dangerous and hazardous they are, as demonstrated ENDLESSLY on YouTube like these examples;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9wC_N9VkoI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX1-LgDA1Go

And these guys were the LUCKY ones, as this is what it can often lead to;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qhnItz8iUI

You'll NEVER hear of a WON customer suffering such problems, as we've DESIGNED our systems to avoid such problems and make them as safe as possible for our customers to use.

We spent 2 years in discussions with the insurance companies that insure our customers cars and it was only after we demonstrated the vastly superior safety of our systems and agreed to provide safety certification with each system, that they agreed to provide cover.

In addition to the high risks to you, your engine and your car associated with using JUNK US brand kits, you'll also be at risk of infringing the law, if you use it on the street without insurance and if that isn't bad enough, you're also going to miss out on what a GOOD nitrous system can deliver, as demonstrated here;

http://www.noswizard.com/pdf/nitrous_shootout_web.pdf

By the way, please don't mislead yourself by thinking that your NX kit is better than the Ny-Trex kit, because ALL US kits are as bad as each other, as they all use the same 'generic' components.

Luckily for you we offer upgrade systems to save people from all the above and hopefully you'll take advantage of this, BEFORE you learn the hard way that ALL the above are FACTS and NOT sales BS.

PS. Such a shame to put such a nice car at such a high risk of destruction by fitting it with a JUNK US nitrous kit.

I still to this day get a sharp intake of breath or stony silence when you mention nitrous ,these videos are what most people seem to associate it with i think ,unless your a WON customer of coarse and then you can feel smug when there hating on it

Exactly Ted and it ANNOYS ME TO HELL & BACK that US companies make such JUNK and not only get away with it but do so by PASSING THE BUCK for their incompetence on to NITROUS ITSELF.

It's like the Kings invisible cloths, they've put about this MYTH that nitrous ITSELF is responsible and the masses believe it, just because someone else says its so. I'm doing my best to BUST THE MYTH but its hard work, when so many people are suckered by their BULLSHIT.

Noswizard I am happy with my NX kit and the main reason choose it was the bottle size and the braided lines plus he solonoids look better IMO, I know you can upgrade to braided lines with your kit, but your 11lb bottle is to long to fit in supra boot.
Also on the insurance front I sorted that today with Adrian Flux so car is covered with the nos so pleased with I also asked them to do quote with WON kit and price was the same. I have also rang the insurance companies that said wont insure because of the nos the 1st time I just said nos kit, then today said WON kit and it makes no difference they still wont insure me.
Performance direct and Keith Micheals gave me quote with nos and they said make doesn't matter.
And I know you trying to be helpful but all the videos on youtube in your link are years old. Their are few people in supra club using NX kits and not one has said its failed or ever gone wrong. so that also helped in my choice of kit.

I understand that their will always be two sides to the argument which is better but at end of day its down to personnel choice and instead of attacking and saying NX kit is wrong just because you think WON kit is better in USA its the other way round. I use your throttle switch on my kit plus I use the nylon lines for my purge kit and in future am considering using your equipment to fit direct port into supra but for the minute iam more than happy with what got and shouldn't that be main thing.

BTW I find it hard to understand why anyone would RISK they pride and joy and put what they consider to be a 'nicer looking' hose and solenoid, above GREATER SAFETY, UNEQUALED RELIABILITY & SUPERIOR PERFORMANCE, all of which are INDISPUTABLE & PROVEN BEYOND QUESTION.

Also you say you are happy with the system but what exactly have you done with it so far????

Have you got a heater and a purge kit fitted?

I do have bottle heater and purge kit which don't use that much at all, and since having the nos fitted have done two track days and system has performed fine with no problems so still happy with it, I intend to try the nos at Santa pod soon to see what difference makes to my time last year with no nos. Have been recently been looking at progressive controllers for my install and I will say the WON controllers do seem to be the best that I have seen, also considering remote bootle opener but want the controller 1st

I refused to sell bottle heaters until we developed our Safe Pressure Relief Valve (SPRV) as fitting a heater to a bottle without one, seriously increases the risk of either the rupture disc blowing or the splitting open (exploding).

In the following video both bottles are having the pressure increased above the SAFE pressure, in the same way a heater could do. The one on the left has the same 'safety' device that yours has and the one on the right has our SPRV.
I ran the outlet from our SPRV in to a bottle of water (center) to show how LITTLE nitrous is needed to bleed out to maintain the SAFE pressure with this device.
If we hadn't continually increased the pressure at an artificially higher rate than normal, the SPRV would have released just the initial bubble or two of pressure and stopped and would not have continued to release the contents.

In contrast as there is NO pressure released from the US type bottle valve, the pressure automatically have kept climbing until the 'safety' disc burst and if we hadn't secured the bottle to the post, if would have been flying about and would have potentially injured someone.

http://www.noswizard.com/videos/SPRV%20 ... 20last.wmv

This is just one of the many hazards, that US companies don't give a damn about subjecting their customer to, that any responsible and considerate company owner wouldn't do.

With regards to you being happy with your results, you'd just better hope you don't find yourself racing against a similar car that's fitted with a WON system, because as demonstrated by the INDEPENDENT magazine, the WON car would WIN BY A HUGE MARGIN and I doubt you'd be very happy about that.

Although our controllers (like ALL our products) are the best in the world by a mile, I would advise you against pulsing those JUNK American solenoids, as they will fail quick enough when used in the simple ON/OFF mode, never mind when being operated over 200 times per run, as they would when pulsed.
Having said that, our Max offers numerous safety features, that would help guard against the potentially lethal consequences of the INEVITABLE FAILURE of that system, so it would be wise to fit one ASAP just for that reason.

My bottle heater has switch that controls the pressure doesn't just stay on, so it switches on and off to maintain the pressure in bottle.

I would love to put my supra na against a supra na with one of your kits just to see difference as dout would be huge difference like you say, so if you know someone please let us know.
I raced a 350bhp Subaru in my na with my kit and beat hit with ease, and that's me just running a 50 shot.

I don't understand why you slate the usa kits so much as surely if they are as bad as you say no one would be using them and iam sure if that dangerous their would be countless lawsuits against them as that's the American way.
Not trying to be nasty in any way at all as do believe WON kits are great bits of kit but also think the same about the NX kit.

Few points.
1. iam not stupid and wont forget to open my bottle or leave bottle heater on.
2. I did read the report and found it intresting and understood it all.
3. Would like to see difference for myself between the kits still in proper car.
4. My main reason for NX kit was bottle size.
5. The fact you say am stupid is quite nasty really.
6. I didn't but the kit to save money at all, as when priced up kits their wasn't much in it.
7. You haven't wasted any time chatting on here to me as like think mention in previous comment I intend to use your kit for my direct port set up with your pulsoids, as for that system intend to run 150 shot if possible and use the NX solonoids for single port with small shot. I would like to run a NX bottle with your direct port system as like idea and look of 15lb bottle.
8. If mine do fail I will then upgrade to yours or if they need repairing.
9. I know of quite a few people using NX kits for last few years and so fair none of their kits have failed or needed overhauling.
10. I had already purchased this kit before spoke to you on phone and on your site and even though took your advice and read info I still decided to continue to use the NX kit.
11. I hope my decession to use NX kit doesn't effect me from using your parts aswell and service.
12. I know you may not agree with choice and do take onboard everything you say but its my choice and I do hope it doesn't go bang as its my pride and joy

BTW you might like to take a look at the last 2 posts by long standing WON customers on the following thread, with regard to bottle opening (or I should say failure to do so);

http://forum.nitrous-advice.org/viewtop ... 0&start=25

I'm pretty sure that neither of these guys would consider themselves stupid.

Ha Ha!!

NO! I dont consider myself to be stupid. But I have forgotten to turn the bottle on now and then?
Luckily the lack of bottle opening only saw me looking stupid on track. Even with my bottle closed the pressure switch still does its job to control the bottle pressure via the bottle heater on the WoN bottles.
There is no reason why Keith could not use what ever bottle he wants as they can be adapted to use WoN pipe work and everything downstream to the engine. I wont dig up old shit but I gave up on US solenoids years ago when I had a start line backfire when I fired the engine up due to the nitrous solenoid letting by and weeping nitrous into the inlet manifold. I soon figured out that the US solenoids wore out very quickly when being pulsed. This was pre supercharger on my engine when I was running a 300 shot of gas. These days I only run a 175 shot on top of 13psi of boost on the MGB. I have over £12k invested in my Rover V8 engine which pulls 9 seconds on the 1/4 mile now so i need to keep risk to a minimum. And for the last 5 years I have done my pre race checks to make sure the 6 year old WoN pulsoids work and shut off ok. So far I havent had a problem. But I still check at the start of each day anyway as I have so much invested in my engine.

Keith !
Your car looks mint mate. And I hope all goes well for you.

Regards
Perry

Thank you Perry
She is my pride and joy and do intend to run NX bottle with WON gear for my direct port 100%, hopefully can have it installed towards end of year or early next year funds depending as always

Be intresting to see your rover going up the strip

You wont regret the peace of mind you will have with Pulsoids Keith. Very reliable and very controllable.
If you need that bottle for space requirements then upgrade to WoN outlet and pipe work and fit a remote shut off valve near you in the cabin. This way you can leave the bottle turned on and keep safe control of pressure via an inline pressure switch between the open bottle valve and the closed (when not in use) remote valve. This will remove the human error thing. Because you WILL forget to open the bottle one day when the heater is on.

If you'd been available yesterday and you'd timed it right, you might just have caught a view of the quickest Supra in Europe racing at Santa Pod (runs in the 7.8 sec bracket for the 1/4 mile), which happens to use a WON nitrous system to kick the turbo in to life and enhances the power for the full track by approx. 400 HP.

That's shame missed that's as would of liked to of seen that going down the strip, 7.8 seconds is very impressive. I Know the fastest supra in world does it in 6.2 seconds but unsure what its running.

This one is on STREET tires and PUMP GAS and runs in Street Eliminator.

The one you are talking about is on BIG SLICKS, a full tube (much lighter) chassis, has wheelie bars, runs on race fuel and runs on turbo alone, plus the times have been recorded in Bahrain, where the tracks and weather conditions are PERFECT, plus being owned by an Arab MILLIONAIRE helps a great deal.

The best thing is, that if those guys were aware of what my products can do and fitted them to their car, they'd have run a 5 by now.

The quickest STREET Supra I can find in the US that claims to be the world quickest 'STREET' Supra in the world, is ONLY in the mid 8s and in the USA they STILL allow 'STREET' cars to run on slicks and wheelie bars, so there's NO comparison to my customers GENUINE 'STREET' car.

BTW the cars that race in the UK Street Eliminator class, ALSO have to run in a CRUISE on the public roads (that takes about an hour) and fill up with petrol from the local petrol station, to PROVE they are streetable.

With all the above in mind 7.8 in a STREET car makes the low 6 in a full blown RACE car, look pretty mundane.

Well in that case that's a very impressive time for a road legal car, shame I missed watching it going up strip, the supra I was on about is the Titan supra that runs 6.2

The Titan car has actually run 6.1 now and that's the FULL BLOWN RACE car I was talking about, that's owned by a millionaire in Bahrain, who by the way also has a team of about TWENTY TOP people working on his car almost constantly.

It's just a shame he's obviously not aware of our products, as he'd breeze a 5 if he was.

Well have taken your advice on board and have fitted a manual shut off valve in nitrous line from bottle to nx solenoids so if they do stick open can press button and stop the nitrous coming from bottle, thought be idea to be extra safe.
Also when go direct port will use your pulsoids with my nx bottle so can run 100-150 shot and your direct port system.
That properly won't be till next year as want to do other bits to car 1st

I hope all continues to go well for you until then.