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 Post subject: Re: Why is my nitrous system so ineffective???
PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:51 pm 
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Thanks for advice mate.

Im not going upto 75bhp shot, my engines very high compression standard and many have blown these cars up with turbos running around the +60bhp mark. So thats out the question.

All plugs are very similarly discoloured to eachother so im assuming they are all getting a roughly similar dose of nitrous/fuel. For now my main concern is this white smoke problem though!


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:06 pm 
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Are there coolant channels running between the cylinderhead and the intake manifold?
See if you can spot a gasket leak there as on these modern cars manufacturers use wafer thin steel gaskets nowadays to safe costs on material.
You might get some coolant sucked into the intake manifold from somewhere when accelerating hard.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:28 pm 
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Cheers mate i'll check it out.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 1:42 am 
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Thanks for advice mate.

Im not going upto 75bhp shot, my engines very high compression standard and many have blown these cars up with turbos running around the +60bhp mark. So thats out the question.

All plugs are very similarly discoloured to eachother so im assuming they are all getting a roughly similar dose of nitrous/fuel. For now my main concern is this white smoke problem though!



answer this..... if you did not have nitrous and you had white smoke, what would you think caused it?

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Very good logic/question!!! :yes:

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:44 pm 
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Cylinder head was removed by specialist and hea gasket was found to be okay, head was hot bath pressure tested and also had no problems, was skimmed anyway as a precaution.

Arp stud kit was fitted at great expense in place of the Oem bolts to help fix the head to the block, this kind of setup has been used on 350+bhp turbo kits on my type of car.

With a full nos tank running 50bhp shot I run the system at various stages over a week for an accumulates period of 4.30 minutes, the bottle contained 7lb of nitrous on refill, I was advised my nitrous system should be checked for fault. I will be switching back to the minimax in the coming weeks as the max extreme doesn't get on with my car, anyone wanna buy one?

Car does not lose coolant and the leak test With the dye reports no compression gas leakage. Cars performance on nos is still almost invisible to notice, injector sprays on test. Spark plugs all even colour.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 5:05 pm 
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My guess is that it no longer kicks out white smoke when you use the nitrous system, is that correct?

I can't see the Max Extreme being irretrievably incompatible with your car, as we've managed to overcome all other issues without any problems.

Since its been so long since this all started, can you confirm you've measured the spark strength?

I'm prepared to bet £100 that we'd find the cause if not solve it within approx. an hour if we had the car here.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 6:02 pm 
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Noswizard wrote:


I'm prepared to bet £100 that we'd find the cause if not solve it within approx. an hour if we had the car here.


Given the ,time /money/ frustration you have already gone through trying to solve this,it seems a good bet to me.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 8:23 pm 
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I'll get in touch about getting the car upto you over September, im all out of effort trying to resolve this myself and with local 'experts'.

Spark strength tested and strong at the suggested 20mm, all plugs nice colour and identical. There was no signs of detonation inside the engine when stripped.

As previously stated TDI north filled my bottle up after i had run the system for 4.30 minutes and they could only squeeze 3lb into it, when i told them how much i'd been using it they advised me it was a flow problem. The entire line was then checked for kinks, restrictions or aggressive bends and all seemed fine. The injector fires fine when its removed from the inlet and discharged.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:41 pm 
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Have you tried a nitrous flow test? I had some problems with mine running rich and was suggested this as a starting point.

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Then you need to do a nitrous flow test and weigh the bottle again. I'll see if I can dig out my old sheets on nitrous consumption. You wont need to disconnect the wiring from the fuel pulsoid as the engine will not be running when you do this test. Take the nitrous pipe off the crossfire and make sure its not gonna spray you in the face :) Then activate the nitrous pulsoid for 5 seconds and weigh the bottle again. if the drop in weight is correct for the jetting you have... THEN you can look at re jetting for less fuel.
If I cant dig out my sheets Ant at Won will tell you how much gas you should use in 5 seconds for your jet size.


May be worth a try to make sure you are flowing the nitrous that you expect :yes:

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Try removing the filter!

Take a small electrical screwdriver, piece the outer edge and unscrew it from the housing.

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http://www.pdfdownload.org/pdf2html/vie ... ctions.pdf

You didn't respond to my 'guess' about the white smoke, does that mean my guess is correct?????

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I had the same problem with my old pulsoids and again with my new x-10s which haven't even seen a bottle through them yet, is it likely they were both blocked? Is it essential to run the nos filter or can it be removed for more flow?

Car only smoked on launch at drag days, unfortunately my local airfield doesn't have any recent events and the next meet is next march. I haven't launched it on the road as I would on the strip for obvious reasons, if required I will do this under controlled conditions when visiting WON next month for test purposes. However coolant level has stayed consistant so far.

Maybe it all works fine but my heavier than most hatchback (1240kg) is too big to tug along and make a difference. Maybe you could test my car for suitability for upping to a 75bhp shot ( dare I suggest it ).


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ben_r1 wrote:
I had the same problem with my old pulsoids and again with my new x-10s which haven't even seen a bottle through them yet, is it likely they were both blocked?
It is extremely unlikely that both had blocked filters, however;
1) If you had a bad fill that put a substantial amount of crap in to your bottle and
2) Both sets of Pulsoids we used while that crap was being disposed of through the system,
It is possible for both filters to get blocked.
I've just serviced a set of Pulsoids for another customer and the amount of crap that was in the filter was ASTONISHING!!!!


Is it essential to run the nos filter or can it be removed for more flow?
Under normal conditions (when the gas isn't suspect of being full of crap), it isn't 'essential' to have a filter but I certainly wouldn't advise leaving it out permanently. I only suggested it as a last ditch effort to locate the problem and I'm in 2 minds about doing so, as it's possible you still have crap in the system and removing the filter would allow it to get in to the Pulsoid, which could lead to MAJOR problems.
If you decide to remove the filter, be ready to cut the ignition if the Pulsoid didn't shut due to crap.

What method do you have of activating the system, are you using the TPS feature in the Max or a throttle switch?
If you're using the TPS feature, what setting do you have it set to?


Car only smoked on launch at drag days, unfortunately my local airfield doesn't have any recent events and the next meet is next march. I haven't launched it on the road as I would on the strip for obvious reasons, if required I will do this under controlled conditions when visiting WON next month for test purposes. However coolant level has stayed consistant so far.
A hard launch shouldn't be a problem on the road, especially if the nitrous is under performing, so I'd give that a shot ASAP if I were you but otherwise we can do that when you're here.
IF it no longer smokes under ANY circumstances, the cause of the problem was the head bolts 'stretching' and allowing water in to the combustion chamber and IF that was the case, it's a surprise that you haven't experienced at least some improvement to your performance since improving the components.


Maybe it all works fine but my heavier than most hatchback (1240kg) is too big to tug along and make a difference. Maybe you could test my car for suitability for upping to a 75bhp shot ( dare I suggest it ).
There is always the possibility that your particular engine won't respond correctly until it reaches a higher level of nitrous. We have seen that be the case a couple of times and most engines do have a 'sweet spot' where a given amount of nitrous produces the best results, when more or less doesn't produce such impressive results, but the results up to that level are usually still acceptable, which in your case they seem not to be.

It's certainly looking like 'we/I' need to see your car to solve this one and given that opportunity we WILL solve it. :yes:


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