NITROUS OXIDE ( nos / n2o ) advice forum

Hi Trev a fellow drag racer from York who is a little misguided made these comments, could you give me some up to date reply comments to put him straight please.....

'I first ran nitrous in 1980. I was lucky enough to be sponsored by Kingston Medical gases a manufacturer of NOS.
Fred Phillips, the Boss actually gave me a health and safety induction on how to handle NOS.
I can remember a few facts.

NOS is a non life supporting gas, if inhaled in large quantities it will asphixiate ( kill ) you.
That means if the bottle safety valve blows off in the car two breaths will result in loss of consciosness, convulsions and death.
NOS is a volatile oxidising agent if absorbed in ANY material, even materials that won't burn in air, that material becomes highly combustable
That means IF NOS leaks in to your clothing and you are exposed to any ignition point you will spontaneously combust.
Any grease or oil exposed to NOS will spontaneously combust. Any combustion supported by NOS is very difficult to extinguish as long as NOS is present.
Skin Exposure to pressurised NOS will result in serious freeze burns
Pressurised NOS bottles when exposed to heat EVEN WITH A SAFETY VALVE, may expload and can rocket through a vehicle structure, and can fragment sending shrapnel hundreds of yards.

If you want to sit next to a bomb full of poison gas then that's entirely up to you. I chose to run my bottle in the boot behind a steel bulkhead. You can do whatever you want.

Damn - just read the COSHH sheet Misguided or what!

You actually managed to listen to this guy without falling over in disbelief?

your so mean you lot your gunna get trevor all worked up again...

Experts.....you've got to love them

Ian

Define the word Expert as it sounds........

Ex = the unknown factor!
Spert = a drip under pressure?


Let me get this right.
For fire you need the triangle dont you?
So how does "materials that won't burn in air, that material becomes highly combustable" work out??

So I could swap my petrol for water ??

If this is right I could have a cheap season next year

If N2O is sooo toxic then i (we all) would be dead.
The dose is making the poison.

PS. I'll bet EVERYTHING I OWN that he's using a US nitrous kit and that shows you just how DUMB he is.

What's his name by the way?

I was going to post 2 of them videos that you have posted/talked about Trevor, (the cutting torch and the one in the car with the bottle going off) I'd only watched them myself a couple of days ago but I couldn't remember where the hell I'd got the link from...lol. Old age is making a mockery of my short term memory.

You're not the only one because I'd forgotten that I'd ALREADY posted that video clip of the rupture disc bursting AND I didn't even notice it in the list when finding the link for the others, so my eyes let me down as well as my memory.

Anyway here's the link to the video I said I get posted soon that IS ALREADY posted;
http://www.noswizard.com/OLD/videos/In% ... %20off.wmv

Just had what I consider a VERY FUNNY thought, we could REVERSE the Monty Python Dead Parrot sketch over this one and say something like;
This is NOT a dead employee, he is NOT bereft of life, he has NOT been nailed to his seat, he has NOT gone to meet his maker, etc. etc. he is ALIVE, he's still talking, he is a live employee!!!!

OK so maybe its not as funny as the original but surely deserving of a titter.

this is the bit that had me in stitches........- AT NO TIME (EVEN AFTER MINUTES), DID HE EVEN BECOME THE SLIGHTEST BIT INCOHERENT, NEVER MIND DEAD!!!!

The guy has contacted me and his name is Des Taylor who I know quite well.

If I'd had to guess who it was he would have been one of the top 3 on my list.

It's a shame nobody took me up on my bet, because he's one of those die hard addicts to US JUNK nitrous kits, so he has PLENTY to be worried about.

Luckily he runs in an ET class, so he doesn't have to push his car too hard (as he would in a heads up class), which means his US JUNK will never be expected to do a great deal and as he has plenty of experience with it, he'll probably be able to avoid many of the reasons why I call such kits JUNK.

Now I don't wish to offend Des (he's a nice guy) but for everyone in future, ALL you need to do to determine if you should listen to what someone has to say about nitrous, is see what brand of nitrous kit they are using.

If they are using ANY US brand, then you can be SURE they do NOT have the slightest understanding of what they are doing with nitrous, because IF THEY DID they would NOT be using SUCH JUNK.

ANYONE who TRULY understands nitrous (and who is aware of WON products) would NOT use US JUNK.

I excuse most American's from that statement, because most of them are not aware of my systems but most Brits are aware of them.

The only acceptable excuses for a Brit using a US kit are;
1) They had it before they knew of my systems
2) They can't afford to replace the JUNK with good quality WON products - although that is debatable because one failure of a US kit will cost FAR MORE than the difference in price between WON and a US kit
3) They had it before they knew about my systems, they don't expect much from it and they fail to appreciate point 2.

Yes 'Dyno Des' as hes known and loved on the york forums.
Hell of a nice guy always up early at York and chatting all things drag racing.

He does have a rep however. Did he offer to take a free system off you?

Not so far this time but if memory serves me right he has done something similar in the dim distant past and its my guess that he'll stick with what he has unless I offer a free system, so he can't value his safety very highly despite the apparently strong concerns that he's voiced to you.

Are there any industrial chemists in the building? I read this with a sceptical "What?" expression on my face.

I feel "Mythbusters" need to be contacted, I bet they'd love an excuse to play with NOS

i love that prog...girls are nice too

I'd love to prove it for myself but although its been my RELATIVELY 'cavalier' attitude towards my personal safety that has lead me down the nitrous path to discover things that those more concerned about their own well being would not have done, I draw a line at ACTIVELY trying to cause AN EXPLOSION.

Having said that, I'm reasonably confident that IF that was the unavoidable result of grease etc. (FUEL) coming in to contact with nitrous, I'd have already had my head or at least my hands blown off by now and NO my leg was not blown off in such an incident, that was smashed off in a motorcycle accident.

i feel special that in my boot lurks something alot of people are so dam scared of

Ted, you've hit the button. When I goto cruises/shows, and boot opens, the reaction tends to be shock from the niave ones. I always gets asked about explosions and should the car display a danger sign.
I now resist arguing

im still amazed by people ritchard.. when i had my paddle clutch fitted by a (high power car specialists) i was fallen over skylines and suburus and yet still i got "thats a bomb just waiting to go off" reaction ...

Damn and I drive down the road with the blasted thing in FRONT of ME

Better go faster and try to get it behind me...........

If you mix oil or grease with pure oxygen at high pressure it will create an unstable explosive compound. Thats a given. Just ask any gas welding expert

I'm not sure of the exact science. But isnt the oxygen in nitrous locked away / attached to a fire suppressant molecule??

I guess if the oil or grease was mixed with nitrous at the correct temperature for the oxygen to be freed from mix then an explosion might happen. As usaul there are no guidelines in this claim re the actual events that could make this happen. I guess the obvious would be to take a cup full of liquid nitrous and then drop some oil into it. I suspect the effect would be rapid cooling of the oil to the point that it would go solid??

Who knows???