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Author:  Noswizard [ Tue Aug 30, 2011 11:31 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Nitrous Refills
You'll be lucky to get more than 70 lbs out as even the GAS weighs something and as a consequence you have a HUGE bottle of GAS left that you can't use. I reckon the gas companies should credit us for the gas we can't use, because they 'could' (but probably don't), just top the bottles up and save the waste.
Author:  Noswizard [ Tue Aug 30, 2011 2:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nitrous Refills
You'll be lucky to get more than 70 lbs out as even the GAS weighs something and as a consequence you have a HUGE bottle of GAS left that you can't use. I reckon the gas companies should credit us for the gas we can't use, because they 'could' (but probably don't), just top the bottles up and save the waste.
Author:  yippeekiay [ Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nitrous Refills
Thanks Brett/Trev,

That was my suspicions, 70 to 80lb is a huge variance and no other retailer would be able to justify that sort of discrepancy, in reality they should sell a bottle to you at weight and then offset that with what you give back when you get a new delivery.

Just for spite, I'd open the valve and let out any remaining that I couldn't get into the smaller bottle.

If they did the above and were a little cheaper (and reduced the bloody rental charge!!), I for one would get a big bottle AND use much more gas and I know that would be the case for a few of my mates. By the way, the Puma nitrous owners club is increasing quite quickly since I started blabbing on and on about it. There was only 1 that I knew before I got mine and now there's 7 I know of....lol.
Author:  Noswizard [ Tue Aug 30, 2011 6:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nitrous Refills
The problem is that the company would have to trust you that you hadn't added anything to the bottle contents and as a consequence I 'GUESS' they dump the remaining contents. If they could trust everyone and/or do a test to confirm it's JUST nitrous in the bottle, then they could just top it up but my guess is that they don't, so their charges are fair, although I entirely agree that it seems that the charges are far too high. However, to know that for a fact I'd have to know the business accounts, as it MIGHT be that they MUST charge these prices to cover their overheads.

I hate to think how much they pay for insurance (for example) and the handling & delivery costs would be high.
Author:  Si@NitrousSupplies [ Thu Nov 10, 2011 1:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nitrous Refills
Noswizard wrote:
The problem is that the company would have to trust you that you hadn't added anything to the bottle contents and as a consequence I 'GUESS' they dump the remaining contents. If they could trust everyone and/or do a test to confirm it's JUST nitrous in the bottle, then they could just top it up but my guess is that they don't, so their charges are fair, although I entirely agree that it seems that the charges are far too high. However, to know that for a fact I'd have to know the business accounts, as it MIGHT be that they MUST charge these prices to cover their overheads.

I hate to think how much they pay for insurance (for example) and the handling & delivery costs would be high.


Hi Trev,

As you've mentioned we can't verify exact contents upon their return and as such cylinders have to be vented when we get them back. The verification at a UK testing house for every returned cylinder would get quite expensive, that charge would have to get passed on and we want to keep this cost effective for everyone (including Nitrous Oxide Supplies). With the on-line refills we don't even top fill customer small cylinders, we always vent and start from empty.

The figure of gas retained from each returned 50ltr cylinder has also been mentioned, for the last few years we have endeavoured to inform everyone at the initial point of contact to base his or her feasibility calculations on a rough figure of 72lb. This is done as we don't know everyone's filling procedure and we don't know what you loose between fills, the last bit literally fills the cylinder at very minimal pressure plus you guys want liquid not vapour which is what’s left, but in turn if you didn't have the vapour, you wouldn't get all of the liquid. We also talk people out of a dip-tube cylinder these days as they get less out of it, ask Webster Race Engineering, they used to use a dip-tube cylinder but we discussed this with them and they now have an inverted non-dip cylinder which they get more out of, does this sound like the actions of a company who wants you to return unused gas? Since I started with the company the quantity of upright cylinders in the market (with a dip-tube) has fallen due to this internal course of action.

To ensure we can help with any arising issues we weigh every cylinder at the point of delivery, so if it would appear you got far too less out of it we can help by trying to figure out what happened and this initial weighing will give us a start point to work from. Without this start point we'd have far too many variables.

In regards to rental charges we believe our Nitrous Oxide 50ltr cylinder rental fee is cheaper than all of the other major gas companies (for this type of cylinder), they may look the same as an Argon cylinder for example but they're not. You also have to factor in the fact that our charge also covers retesting at a specialist (UKAS registered) testing facility, then don’t forget all of those lovely people who "loose" cylinders every year and then vanish leaving us no room to allow to recover that money. Its unfortunately a similar story to why we all pay more car insurance, the few dishonest people cost the honest chaps more as the money has to be recovered to replace those cylinders in our fleet.

We currently charge £80+VAT per cylinder, per year (£6.67 per month). We have price lists from other gas companies with the list price being around £11/£12+VAT per month.

We also on your invoices we don’t charge hazardous or environmental charges, if you have a gas account with one of the other major UK suppliers for welding or cutting gases for example then check your invoice, add this to the gas/rental price and it doesn’t work out quite so cheap when you factor those in.

Nitrous Oxide Supplies ship these cylinders the length and breadth of the UK with diesel currently around £1.40 per litre and a maximum 10 cylinder weight restriction, so if one or two chaps order two or three cylinders each ranging from Devon to Manchester, most of our carrying capacity has gone with only our standard £20+VAT fee per delivery. Then as mentioned there are the insurances, upkeep of a high mileage vehicle, hotel money for overnight stays on the South Coast due to the length of time our driver is allowed to travel, plus not to forget the increased costs of the ADR trained driver himself.

In all we supply at a profit yes, but not what people may believe. We simply offer this service as the MD is a bona fide petrol-head and with his gas industry experience this was a no brainer to help the Drag Racing Industry get hold of high quality gas at a fair price, most of the UK gas companies are now pulling this gas from supply too without medical licence, if needed you can ask the chaps at Turbo Dynamics this happened to them only recently and they’ve come on board as a re-filler on the South Coast.

For the last few years I personally sound like I’m talking people out of getting a 50ltr and inform them of local re-filler’s like Trevors lads at WON before take the plunge of getting their own 50ltr cylinder, in times such as these what other companies sales people would do that?

I hope I've helped fill in some blanks for everyone and I am more than happy to discuss any issues with any current or prospective customers, below is my personal mobile number and my company email address...

simon@nitrousoxidesupplies.co.uk
Mob: 07852 249183

ALSO, WERE ABOUT TO ANNOUNCE ANOTHER PRICE FREEZE ON OUR STANDARD 50LTR GAS PRICE FOR 2012, MEANING BY THE END OF THE PERIOD WE HAVEN'T INCREASED OUR STANDARD PRICES FOR THREE YEARS.
Author:  pelidan [ Wed Mar 21, 2012 11:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Nitrous Refills
Hi all,

I am currently in the process of building an iphone app that will locate your nearest nitrous filling station.

(Its a bit of a project really).

So i was thinking, the app will have the options to search by:

Town/City
Postcode
Nearest to your current location

The results will display:

Name of filling station
Address
Telephone Number
Email address
Other info (Such as price, can you watch as they fill the bottle etc)

The app will be free of charge, as it's just something i'm doing to help fellow nitrous users!

If it's OK, i'll use all the details in this thread and also in the WON agents section to put together a Database of all the filling stations.

If anyone has a list of filling stations or any other info that may be useful, please send it my way :yes:

Any other ideas for info to put in the app are welcome.
Author:  neiljewell [ Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nitrous Refills
ace idea, and you'll need to market it well but......

how are you going to keep it up to date?
Author:  BMW840 [ Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nitrous Refills
pelidan wrote:
Hi all,
I am currently in the process of building an iphone app that will locate your nearest nitrous filling station.
(Its a bit of a project really).
So i was thinking, the app will have the options to search by:

Town/City
Postcode
Nearest to your current location

The results will display:

Name of filling station
Address
Telephone Number
Email address
Other info (Such as price, can you watch as they fill the bottle etc)

The app will be free of charge, as it's just something i'm doing to help fellow nitrous users!
If it's OK, i'll use all the details in this thread and also in the WON agents section to put together a Database of all the filling stations. If anyone has a list of filling stations or any other info that may be useful, please send it my way :yes:
Any other ideas for info to put in the app are welcome.


Like Neil says "Great Idea" but where/how are you going to get the filling station info. Even the list of agents/filling stations on the WON site is was out of date (when I tried to find a new re-filler last year) . The ONLY company that knows of the current active filling stations will be the Supplier of Nitrous themselves http://www.nitrousoxidesupplies.co.uk/
Author:  pelidan [ Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nitrous Refills
Thanks for the positive comments guys 8)

In terms of keeping it up to date, nitrous oxide supplies have been in touch and kindly offered their assistance.

I will put a "no longer offering nitrous" button in the app. So if you come across a supplier that no longer operates, just press the button and it will send me a notification. I can then check it out and if required, remove it from the database.

I'll do the same so suppliers can send in their details to be added to the database.

It might not be perfectly up to date, but it's worth a shot and as im building it in my spare time it's costing me nothing.

I'm not too bothered about marketing it as its Just for us really :evil:
Author:  Brett928S2 [ Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nitrous Refills
pelidan wrote:
Thanks for the positive comments guys 8)

In terms of keeping it up to date, nitrous oxide supplies have been in touch and kindly offered their assistance.

I will put a "no longer offering nitrous" button in the app. So if you come across a supplier that no longer operates, just press the button and it will send me a notification. I can then check it out and if required, remove it from the database.

I'll do the same so suppliers can send in their details to be added to the database.

It might not be perfectly up to date, but it's worth a shot and as im building it in my spare time it's costing me nothing.

I'm not too bothered about marketing it as its Just for us really :evil:


Hi :)

I still think this is a brilliant idea :)

Will you do an Android app as well....(he says wanting it for his Kindle Fire Touch) lol ??

All the best Brett :)
Author:  Brett928S2 [ Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nitrous Refills
Hi :)

Hmmmm...just had a thought...

How about a second app.....Wizards of Nos Nitrous users in "YOUR AREA" ??

Or any area ?

All the best Brett :)
Author:  pelidan [ Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nitrous Refills
I'll try and get the first one built first Brett ;-)

As for an android version, ill see what I can do. My friend is an android developer :-)

Thanks again, I'll keep you updated as I build it.

Cheers
Dan
Author:  Brett928S2 [ Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:08 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Nitrous Refills
pelidan wrote:
I'll try and get the first one built first Brett ;-)

As for an android version, ill see what I can do. My friend is an android developer :-)

Thanks again, I'll keep you updated as I build it.

Cheers
Dan


Hi Dan :)

Thanks :).. I will be very interested...

All the best Brett :)
Author:  Pixie83 [ Sun Apr 01, 2012 3:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nitrous Refills
Please could someone tell me where I can get refill near Keighley or Bradford/Leeds? And the aprox cost?
Thanks Sean
Author:  Brett928S2 [ Sun Apr 01, 2012 11:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nitrous Refills
Pixie83 wrote:
Please could someone tell me where I can get refill near Keighley or Bradford/Leeds? And the aprox cost?
Thanks Sean



Hi :)

I am from the south but isnt Bradfod fairly near Doncaster...go to Wizards to get filled ??

All the best Brett :)
Author:  Oddified [ Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nitrous Refills
I know theres one in Halifax but can't remember the name, i use Acceleration services in Rochdale (which are also quite a good price).

Ian
Author:  BagPuss [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:32 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Nitrous Refills
Hi,

Anyone know the Nearest refill station near Lowestoft, Suffolk?

Thanks all ;)
Author:  jammy550 [ Tue May 15, 2012 6:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nitrous Refills
Hi can anyone tell me is there anywhere in birmingham to get a nitrous fill just getting into nitrous tuning just need some gas :yes:

cheers for any help ;)
Author:  Noswizard [ Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nitrous Refills
Sorry for the late response but have you checked out our agents page;

http://www.noswizard.com/agents
Author:  Autosri [ Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nitrous Refills
think il be avoiding electromec in lincs as i had 2x5 lb bottles filled and weighed them when i got home i only had about 3 lb in each
Author:  3VZ-DPNI AW11 [ Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nitrous Refills
As soon as I can find a suitable freezer I'll have all the bits needed to refill bottles...

Located in Pontypool South Wales should anyone be stuck.

It's at my house for personal use but don't mind helping out forum members. I have scales to hand which I'd be happy to let anyone use before and after fill and have no reason to Pi$$ anyone off as I'm a member here.

Cheers,

Owen.
Author:  3VZ-DPNI AW11 [ Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nitrous Refills
Freezer now installed and bottle inverted so ready to go should anyone be in need. :yes:

I also have a couple of 11lb bottles so could do an exchange (full for empty) should anyone be in too much of a hurry to wait for bottles to freeze.

Cheers,

Owen.

3VZ-DPNI AW11 wrote:
As soon as I can find a suitable freezer I'll have all the bits needed to refill bottles...

Located in Pontypool South Wales should anyone be stuck.

It's at my house for personal use but don't mind helping out forum members. I have scales to hand which I'd be happy to let anyone use before and after fill and have no reason to Pi$$ anyone off as I'm a member here.

Cheers,

Owen.
Author:  Spud986 [ Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nitrous Refills
Any one near Exeter still refilling bottles cos I have an empty in need of some n2o
Author:  Spud986 [ Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nitrous Refills
How many 11 lb refills do you get out a 50 ltr bottle
Author:  Brett928S2 [ Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nitrous Refills
Spud986 wrote:
How many 11 lb refills do you get out a 50 ltr bottle


Hi :)

A 50 ltr bottle is around 82 lbs, but from experience of selling from a big bottle , plan on around 7 x 11 lb bottles ...max...



All the best Brett :)
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