NITROUS OXIDE ( nos / n2o ) advice forum

hey
well propane is a fuel.. why is there a proformance gain when injected into an already "overfueled" engine (diesel).
When injected will it smoke more like when adding more diesel?

I dont want to drive all day with it so i thought of using the small cheap once as used to burn grass and other stuff.. the hand held things..! but they are 70%propane and 30%butane does this make a large difference?

was thinking of trying out a cheap way.. use the small ajuster nub on the burner and connect a solorid to that hose going to the airfilter.. this way i can ajust abit and still only get it when i want!?

if it does good things i would get a won pulsoid and maby an maximazer to control it..!?

As you say, it is a fuel so it will add power, as long as there is enough air to burn it in.

Smoke from a diesel might be due to a lack of air, in which case the gains will be minimal, if any. But diesel is a slow burning fuel and at high revs there comes a point where there's not enough time to burn all the diesel, again, resulting in black smoke.

Propane, on the other hand, is fast burning. It will speed up the diesel burn too, so it's a double-win situation.

Like diesel though, if there's not enough air (or more accurately, oxygen) then smoke will increase.

Butane and propance are pretty much the same except butane freezes easier so is often mixed with propane.

ahh nice so no problem using a propane/butan mix.. nice to hear that it will burn faster so will peak if lack of diesel on high rpm. Is it nessesery to use an injector? or could i just put a hose into the airfilter? its a turbo diesel.

oh btw.. i have an EGR system on my car! but this is closed 100% on full "throtle" so if not used when the EGR is working it would be fine right? (the thing not to add 2nd fuels when having EGR.

what car have you got fraguzz, ive fitted a by-pass egr

or should that read a egr by-pass

yah i know the bottle is not installed properly! didnt have time.. will remake my entire setup soon.

If the EGR leaks, you'd smoke even more but I always advise people to block, disable or better still, remove them if at all possible, they're good for nothing and bad for breathing IMHO.

Hi

A word of caution here....

Wait for Trev to answer.... he KNOWS if Butane/Propane will be safe or NOT...you cannot just pick a fuel at random and assume it will work....

It may be perfectly safe or it may be as safe as throwing a stick of dynamite into a fire...lol

All the best Brett

yah i know the bottle is not installed properly! didnt have time.. will remake my entire setup soon.


mines in that position

lol !

oh here is a new clip.. fresh from the tube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH3xo8LHX3s

for a brief moment i thought it was mph ...i was about to throw my car in the mersey

i wish.. still this car normaly does 0-62mph in 13sek

good stuff this nitrous aint it

I'm not sure what you're getting here, Brett? I thought the OP had asked about propane/butane mix because he's already researched the use of propane in a diesel. I can't see how you think it's a random choice?

As reqards safe, of course I agree, no fuel is safe and requires due care and attention and that all engines have their limits so pushing too much power (ie fuel and oxygen) through the chambers is unsafe for the engine. Of course, diesels aren't at risk from mixture ratios as petrol engines are but they do have their limits.

If that's what you mean, then yes, I've omitted to give the warnings so perhaps I can make up for that by saying...

Propane (or any other fuel in a diesel) will increase EGT's proportionately which can lead to meltdown. With the aid of water injection, this danger point can be elevated to allow even more fuel to be safely used.

Have I missed anything else?

Oh, yes. Is propane/butane safe to use on a WON kit?
Yes, but you need to use a nitrous solenoid, fitted with a different seal material and, I think, have the valve seat/lift adjusted for the lower pressures.

ahh thx.
I was thinking about getting another solenoid to control the propane.. and maby an maximiser to control it with.

but would water/meth be a better solution because meth is a fuel also and its already with water... would i get a simmular kick out of this?

Arrgg
Im unsure what to go for... on one hand i have a friend that runs both nitrous and propane on a hyundai H1.. and he is all for the propane! thinks more of that than the nitrous.. (NOS system) - then all of the american guys with there trucks..

on the other hand.. I dont se any available kits for euro diesels.. and very little info on the "small diesel engine"..

But the water meth way.. is more normal here in europe.. and propper size kits are available.


Hmmm

ptw.. Its yet another hot day and the bottle is only reading 700-800psi normaly in this heat 1000-1100psi.. posible im running low on nitrous..