NITROUS OXIDE ( nos / n2o ) advice forum

hi all
has anyone got the hydro injection system - the Flow Master that trev has advised me to get in conjunction with the nitrous kit ..does it mean i have a methanol bottle in the boot aswel ,not seen any piccies on the site thanks in advance

We've seldom sold our water/meth systems over the past few years, because we've been so extremely busy just on the nitrous side.

That's also why they're not on our web site yet.

They consist of exactly the same high quality components as our nitrous systems (the same fuel Pulsoid is used in both as just one example), so they are far superior to most (if not all) other water systems.

The tank we supply is intended to store a water/methanol mix and that is intended to be mounted in the engine bay but can be mounted where ever you want.

We'll be adding a new page to our web site for these ASAP.

Thanks trev....i dont want to sound too stupid here but is that the one only real solution to when i have a basic nitrous kit fitted in order to get that added fuel mix ....im getting your book soon so i can stop pestering ..regards ted

Good move on buying the book (I can supply a signed copy if you'd like as many do), as that covers everything you should need but Lisa should have already provided you with ALL the options in her email.

As this is a draft email that we then tailor to each customer, I'd appreciate it if you could go back and take another look to see if you missed it or if we've missed it ourselves. Your assistance on this would be much appreciated.

Also can you tell me if you've ever received a newsletter from us?

If inadequate info was provided I'll get Lisa to add whatever is missing to our draft and send out further info to you.

lisa did list many of the products trev but this bit took me by surprise... i quote..(As you've said that your engine isn't wasting unburnt fuel, it is necessary to add extra fuel by fitting our hydro injection system - the Flow Master @ £437 + the cost of a tank starting @ £54) now i wont argue if thats the only solution because you know what your talking about but as you know every man and his dog on the furom or the net for that matter says loads of different things.. oh ive never had a newsletter by the way
regards ted

Thanks for getting back to me Ted, especially on the newsletter.

Was that the ONLY option she offered you?

We normally suggest;
1) A chip upgrade first (usually the cheapest most convenient option)
2) Water/meth second as it's the 2nd cheapest and convenient option
3) Propane injection is the final option, because it also needs water injection as well to be reliable.

Maybe Lisa was aware of the low power capability of the chip option and skipped it, choosing to offer just the single best option in this case - I check on that.

What conflicting advice are you referring to that you've had elsewhere - one FACT you can be SURE OF, is that you will get the TRUTH here!!!

option 2 sounds fine trev ..to be fare the info ive read about normally is about chipping to make more fuel delivery...by the way my car has never smoked and goes very well.. had the remap a few years now, simon emaps...well respected on bmwland, im sure they would have a fit if they new what i had planned

Ted

Does your BM have a particulate filter in the exhaust?

If so then that is why it dont smoke!

And if so then adding N2O may make a BIG difference - as you may have extra fuel but the tell tale signs we use to identify the extra fuel are being masked by some POXY emissions system!

Good point!

Also the fact you already had a chip explains why Lisa didn't mention that option to you and why she chose just to give you the 2nd option, because as I mentioned she takes a draft and edits it to suit each customers situation.

mmmmmmmmmmm a particulate filter, not a clue but im on the case tomoz and find out

It is possible to use your windscreen washer bottle as the water/meth tank which is the option I had to take (for now) due to low budget. That way you can add a dedicated tank at a later date if the screen tank proves inadequate.

Not for my systems, as they use boost pressure to achieve a relatively constant water delivery rate, so the tanks must be able to handle boost pressure.

oh what a shame i was just about to sling my washer fluid out

That's interesting and I should have known better that Trev's systems are not like any other! Perhaps yet another good reason to get all WON products on view. We just don't know what we're missing.

How is the bottle boosted Trev?

Sorry to mislead you teddybare, I got a more common water injection kit in case you hadn't realised by now.

i get more confused by the day mike

We take a hose from the manifold via a one way valve and run it to the top of water/meth tank.

With other brands of water kit you get either;

1) The ERL arrangement, where water pressure is very high and COMPETES against rising boost = falling water delivery as boost rises. In more sophisticated ERL systems they use PWM to link water delivery to boost but they are very expensive in comparison to their basic kits.

2) Most other brands, low water pressure that struggles to deliver anything at high boost.

Compared to our system, which delivers THE SAME amount of water REGARDLESS of boost level, which whilst less than ideal for water only applications (as boost linked rising and falling delivery would be best), is ideal for nitrous and is better than any equivalently priced alternative, plus as water is only needed over a relatively narrow boost band is not a major issue for most applications.

Trev is the mixture something you can make up yourself or is it a specific product...excuse my ignorance

That's the awkward bit, ANY unusual fuel is less than 'easy' to obtain and most fuels are also difficult to transport (methanol is no different), so you really need to find a local supplier and then mix it with water to suit your requirements.

That's an advantage of propane, because its easier to obtain and were it not for the additional cost of the hardware, we'd advise the use of propane and water instead of water/meth, as we did for the 5th Gear TDI.

mmmmmmmmmm im starting to regret i have a diesel now

NONONONONO

Dont EVER regret having a diesel!

MPG and speed - dont get that with sparkers!

your right ...my tank is half full not half empty

Understood, I wasn't sure if you meant nitrous boost or similar. So normally aspirated diesels won't require this boost? For my WI, I hope to build my own PWM controller. As you say, they're expensive little boxes and I've already spent my budget on the minimax (a necessity IMO).


I know I'm a minority but I truly believe diesels are the future racers engine. I'm convinced they're the best choice for a novice like me anyway. I can fuel mine on just about any oil, don't need to worry about precise AFR's, diesels are built with much stronger components, produce a lot of torque from idle through to the redline and the economy, which is already more efficient than a petrol engine, doesn't decline as much when asking for full power, for instance.

ok i love my diesel again ....