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 Post subject: Re: new install on a carburated 750 SRAD
PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 8:18 pm 
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one more B-King will run on WON too. :D
Sweet. :yes:

Now as i restudy all the instructions i found two different numbers to calculate the jets. :loser:
Strange :?

In the Streetblaster 50 wet instructions can be read : http://www.noswizard.com/pdf/SB75%20UK% ... Manual.pdf see bottom of page 11
Nos to fuel > 1:2 for gravity feed
So a 30 shot would be : 60 jet N2O and a 120 jet for fuel.

In the instruction: Metering jet installation http://www.noswizard.com/pdf/Jet%20changing.pdf see page 2
there is a rato of 1:6 ????? Would be 6o N2o and 360 for fuel ??
The problem and confusion is caused by;
1) The potential difference in the head of fuel above the point of injection. You'll need a smaller fuel jet if your fuel level is higher relative to the Venom injectors, than if it was relatively low.
2) The pipe lengths and sizes along with the type of distribution block, all affect how much fuel will reach the engine in a given time.
3) Different engine/carb/s combinations create different amounts of vacuum in the runner and that affects the jet size required.
4) The amount of nitrous you add, affects the amount of vacuum in the manifold.


So ,if i start with a 60 N2O jet for 30Hp

What is the right fuel jet size for gravity feed ?
The safest, simplest & quickest way to determine that, is to start with the biggest you have available and carry out a brief static test. It should then be possible to judge what amount of reduction in fuel jet is required (if needed), then you can zero in on what produces the best results. There are other ways to do it (like measuring the fuel flow at the injector and applying a correction factor) but the static test method produces the most precise results.

Why not use a paper filter (oem suzuki) to fog throu ? i ve read this in another post.
On the Busa i use a K&N but the carbed SRAD runs better on OEM.
Paper isn't strong enough to stand being blasted with nitrous and as it should be exiting the injector in a near liquid form, it would at least wet/weaken it, although it 'may' handle a small dose. Paper is also a good fuel, so if you had a backfire, the paper filter soaked in nitrous would burn at an accelerated rate.

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 Post subject: Re: new install on a carburated 750 SRAD
PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:33 pm 
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Ok thanks

I have many to check 400 ; 300 ; 200 ; 160 are my biggest ordered for secure testing
and matching 1:2 sets as 50:100 60:120 70:150
so i should find a nearly matching pair when doing static test.

I try to place the pulsoid below and as near to the runners possible so fuel will run upwards to inlets as you sugested.
The pulsoid will be fed by a straight 8mm hose downwards to avoid any bubbles
and outlet will be ether d-Block or showerhead (depending on match) and with the WON red 4mm standart nylons to the venoms.

Much work in business at the moment . I will post some pics when i make advance.


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That all sounds good to me. :yes:

BTW I would be surprised if you needed bigger than a 200 jet.

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little progress again
Fuel cell done and is at my welder to finish.

1:Placed the venoms in the rubbers. Drilled only 4.8 and made them "selfcut" secured with the plasticts. They look wide in the inlets and i didnt want to srew them all way in to place the retainers also in the runners. see pic

Placed pudoid a way to reach the jet an have the outlet aiming to middle of engine and in a angle a bit upwards. Fuel will always run uphill this way.

Now i can try with d-block or showerhead. I must see which keeps the lines shorter. (forgot them at home)
The tube is not fitted , just placed to hold the parts so i could take the pics. But could be a way to go. Its 4x0,5 mm.
Also d-block is not yet horizontal , was just for the pics with out olives in the screws.

After putting the carbs on ,i had to turn the pulsoid backwards so i can fit the fuel line.
On the pic with the showerhead its in wrong position for fuel hose.

Please have a lock at the pics. Think its ok so far.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 7:08 pm 
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The Venoms are fine.

The D-Block option looks fine

If I were using the showerhead I'd aim to avoid using a 90 degree bend in the feed and use a straight fitting fed by a curved plastic (or metal) pipe.

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If i keep the short piece of tube even another bended one ,it could "hold" ether the d-block or showerhead in position.
Will mount the red hoses and see how it fits.

In the elbow of the d-block was a small black plastik reducer.
am i right not to use it for the fuel ? (read its just needed for nitrous)

Is any orientation for the showerhead recomended ? ( as horizontal for d-block)

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:30 am 
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B-12 wrote:
If i keep the short piece of tube even another bended one ,it could "hold" ether the d-block or showerhead in position.
Will mount the red hoses and see how it fits.
That's true but it still needs to do its main job correctly first/aswell, so ensuring a 'correct' feed to the shower head is most important. BTW it will probably work OK due to the flow having to run uphill even with an elbow but it could be worth following my advice just to be sure. ;)

In the elbow of the d-block was a small black plastik reducer.
am i right not to use it for the fuel ? (read its just needed for nitrous)
Nitrous is the main reason for the corrector but it might help the fuel distribution, as long as it doesn't restrict the fuel flow to less than you need. Some brief flow tests will prove if that's the case or not. :idea:

Is any orientation for the showerhead recomended ? ( as horizontal for d-block)
As long as the fuel has to run up from the outlets it should be fine in just about any position but again for added certainty, having it upright will ensure it performs its best.

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Fuel cell arrived this afternoon. :bounce:

Found a better place to fix the pulsoid.
Will mill a bracket to hold both pulsoids side by side there.
This way it aims straight towards the venoms. Angle is about 30°-40° and i need less bendings in the polys.
Think about leading the upper outlets to the middle two cylinders to get theese a bit richer (for heat) if there will be any unequal flow of fuel.

Hi Trev
cant use a pipe from pulsoid to showerhead at the moment as i didnt see that the inlet thread of showerhead is bigger than 8x1 and forgot to order the nuts
to fit a 4mm pipe to it (same on elbow) . :loser: :salute:
Get them on friday and do it as you mentioned with a straight tube beetween.
Think that should be straight about 2" :idea:

Sorry :D
I post and write so much as i think other users can benefit from your suggestions too.

By the way > what do you think about membrane fuel pumps (OEM on many carb bikes)
Have a new mikuni left and in a doubt of fuel flow as fuel polys will be about 18cm each.> could it put just in fed line of pulsoid. Verry easy install and only a vac line to connect.
I know one more part to fail but would deliver the fuel quicker.
Nitrous lines will be about 2 feet to reach the ramairs.


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B-12 wrote:
Fuel cell arrived this afternoon. :bounce:
Looks nice.

Found a better place to fix the pulsoid.
Much better

Will mill a bracket to hold both pulsoids side by side there.
Good idea

This way it aims straight towards the venoms. Angle is about 30°-40° and i need less bendings in the polys.
Think about leading the upper outlets to the middle two cylinders to get theese a bit richer (for heat) if there will be any unequal flow of fuel.
That might work if needed.

Cant use a pipe from pulsoid to showerhead at the moment as i didnt see that the inlet thread of showerhead is bigger than 8x1 and forgot to order the nuts to fit a 4mm pipe to it (same on elbow) . :loser: :salute:
Get them on friday and do it as you mentioned with a straight tube beetween.
Think that should be straight about 2" :idea:
You'll need;
1 x http://www.noswizard.com/nitrous-ancill ... 4mm-f.html
Then you'll need a short section of 4mm SS tube and then you'll be able to use the single metering jet at the Pulsoid, as I guess you've figured out.
;)

I post and write so much as i think other users can benefit from your suggestions too.
That's exactly the reason for why I like to deal with all my customers this way, as it hopefully helps more people more quickly, as well as keeping my work load down a bit.

By the way > what do you think about membrane fuel pumps (OEM on many carb bikes)
Not a lot as they aren't much use for carbs never mind nitrous.

Have a new mikuni left and in a doubt of fuel flow as fuel polys will be about 18cm each.> could it put just in fed line of pulsoid. Verry easy install and only a vac line to connect.
I know one more part to fail but would deliver the fuel quicker.
Only by a little and then it its likely to be inconsistent, so I wouldn't bother if I were you.

Nitrous lines will be about 2 feet to reach the ramairs.
That should help to match the delivery times.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 10:23 pm 
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Fuel cell not only looks nice outside :D
Many experience inside too.
Will be filled finaly with foam cubes to avoid swapping. The small chamber on downside is connected to main cell
only by two slots. One on ground of cell and one to let bubbles out on highest point.
Last place to run empty and contains enough for exactly last 200 yards on spray:D
Only fault.....one inch too wide to mount it higher :salute: Forgot the weldseams and caps :salute:
But :lol: saved 5.8 kg to stock tank. Contains 2.2 l to make at least 3 runs return included.

Of course single jet ....

Have diferent SS tubes and match it to same inside diameter as red polys.


Carbs suck . So easy on EFI :D :D

But we want to run this old 96 carbed SRAD on stock engine to enter the nines. :yes: :yes:


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B-12 wrote:
Have diferent SS tubes and match it to same inside diameter as red polys.
You don't need to worry about matching the SS to ONE of the nylon pipes as it's feeding 4, so the bigger the better. ;)

Carbs suck . So easy on EFI :D :D
Yes I know.

But we want to run this old 96 carbed SRAD on stock engine to enter the nines. :yes: :yes:
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Next step done
bracket ready and monted. Seems fuel is done :bounce:

2 ways to route but for me both seem to be ok. Inner Cylinders on upper out of showerhead or downside ?
Have not yet fixed all bolts and polys.


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Looks good to me. :yes:

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Slow but steady :D :albino:
Think the old airbox has to go in the dishwasher :D


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Looking good. :-)

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Nearly finished with the hardware. A little cleaning and electric can start.

Used only one venom as it should fit for 30-40 HP as max. i want to reach on the old engine.
I start with the 50 or 60 jet to see how it works.
The nitrous venom sprays straight up to top of airfilter. Changed mind from ramairs to this place as the airbox has this oval tunnel with a gill of abot 10mm
on downside. That could cause turbulence on the flow when spraying and change flow inside airbox from spray.
Venom is threaded into this plastic and aditionally fixed by the stright tube which is comes throug the airbox wall.
No bends except the ellbow beeing 4" apart from venom.
The whole install provides easy access to everything as it is completely mounted , and i can even unmount airbox quick to check sparkplugs.

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Here the view on the venom
from ramairs and from top. Have only still to cut a little plastic from the ramairs .


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That should certainly be OK on a small dose and the transition will be so smooth that you won't feel it.

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sorry for beeing not here so long.
Made progress and "only" have to finish the electrics.
But the project is paused ,because my wife had an accident at home and is not able to drive till september , so i was not realy motivated
as there are other problems.
Ill try to find the time to finish and run it myself for testing after my own race season.

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Sorry to hear your wife has had an accident and hope it doesn't cause either of you too many problems.

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No news on this topic

But... :loser:
this weekend i set a new personel Highspeed on Quartermile at the Dragster Eurogames in Bechyne (Czech-republic)
with my WON equipped 2001 Streetbusa
My 60s sucked an just a 9,70 (do not yet like my new Lockup clutch) , but sprayed the house :D down on just a 40HP WON-Shot
with spending just 100-120g per run .

And i was winner in ET bike class :cheers: with constant times

New Topspeed >>
246,15 kmh = 153 mph :bounce: :bounce: :yes:


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Great news and well done!!!! :yes:

Consistency is another advantage WON systems have over all others, that is often overlooked unfortunately.

I have a car customer who has WON Championship after Championship for MANY years, as a consequence of his consistency and that's something you'd never achieve using a US brand kit.

Can you send me a few more pics to trev@noswizard.com, as I'd like to add your result to our Facebook page, please?

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Switch setup to roaduse for German Hayabusa meeting , so good oportunity to check
whole system and do a oilchange and check plugs and clutch.

Here some pics of my sparkplugs after about 40 runs and additional 400km in the dolomites. Think they look nice.
Last runs have been only on 700-800 PSI as it was to cold. Think she can take a bit more on better pressure.
50 shot setup but on 700 runs rich and just doing 35-40 HP
Run on nitrous only Shell v-Power or another 100 oktane to prevent knocking , as i dont pull ignition on this small shot.
On roaduse normal fuel does it well.

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Looks fine to me, what type and grade are they?

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Noswizard wrote:
Looks fine to me, what type and grade are they?


These are NGK CR10e
one grade more to the stock CR9e


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